Curse

twicky_kid · Oct 15, 2005, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by tafy69

I tried battle rage with a sword ages ago, seemed to work nicely

Only trouble is you gota renew BR after your Final Thrust so you dont totally gimp yourself.

If you dumped sever and gash and used fear me and watch yourself, would be nice eh. Im thinkin tombs here where martyr and Restore condition is on most teams

Theory : (Im just guessing this)

Gain 4 adren for BR, now you got 0 left.
In 2 hits you can spam both tactics off reducing your adrenaline to 2 its not such a great spike but you can shoot off a Fear Me every 2 hits

So in theory atleast you should get fear me out every 3 Seconds? Just my theory crafting here lol

took me a while to get a feel for final thrust and BR adren loss. you only lose the adren when it ends not when activated. hit 4 times activate BR lose 1 adren to other skills. hit 5 adren, hit 7 adren, sever 8 adren, gash 9 adren, galrath 10 adren, final 0 adren, hit 2, hit 4 renew BR. now this time when you get to 8 adren start the chain starting with gash if bleeding stays on them and follow through. you should be able to do gash, galrath, final, charge, gash, galrath, if low enough for final to kill do it or renew BR. sometimes its worth the kill to let BR end. doesn't take long to recharge it and get the engine going again. my biggest problem is when its not on i end up chasing someone endlessly b/c of no IRS.

its all about timing and counting your seconds that BR has left. don't over use final thrust use it when you need to that's it. other than that let bleeding, gash and galrath get your target's life down for final to kill.

pagansaint · Oct 16, 2005, 05:53 AM // 05:53

Yeah but didn't figure in the 2 from when you hit while spiking.

But the DPS is still a good deal better for standard IAS, which is why its standard.

I'm eating atm but when I finish I'll rework the numbers with that considered.

twicky_kid · Oct 16, 2005, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

Yeah but didn't figure in the 2 from when you hit while spiking.

But the DPS is still a good deal better for standard IAS, which is why its standard.

I'm eating atm but when I finish I'll rework the numbers with that considered.

over 10 seconds it takes me 10.64 to attack 8 times.

Dmg Adrenaline
1 attack 30 1 Ad
2 attack 30 2 Ad
3 attack 30 3 Ad
4 attack 30 4-1 Ad activate BR 3Ad
5 attack 30 5 Ad sever charged
6 sever 30 6 Ad 6 dmg per second
7 attack 30+6 8 Ad gash+galrath charged 8 Ad
8 gash 50+6+100 9 Ad Deep wound 10.64 seconds

DPS avg 46.5 dmg

sword dmg is very steady so easier for me to calculate sword. axe on the other hand ranges from 10-50. don't know how you can get an accurate read of DPS of axes but post it here if you got it.

QuixotesGhost · Oct 16, 2005, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Personally, I feel that the advantages of Battle Rage aren't related to DPS but are related to what they replace. Battle Rage replaces Frenzy + Sprint. Without those two skills you can pretty much make your warrior side pure adrenaline. Allowing you take more expensive energy skills from your secondary.

So the worth of Battle rage is directly related to what you do with your energy pool.

QuixotesGhost · Oct 16, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12

As far as DPS goes, I got me an idea. What about pumping Smiting and maintaining Strength of Honor on two targets. That's ... what ... a good 14 DPS out of one skill.

twicky_kid · Oct 16, 2005, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost

As far as DPS goes, I got me an idea. What about pumping Smiting and maintaining Strength of Honor on two targets. That's ... what ... a good 14 DPS out of one skill.

ya it is. i've replaced holy veil with soh before and it worked nicely.

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 17, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost

Personally, I feel that the advantages of Battle Rage aren't related to DPS but are related to what they replace. Battle Rage replaces Frenzy + Sprint. Without those two skills you can pretty much make your warrior side pure adrenaline. Allowing you take more expensive energy skills from your secondary.

So the worth of Battle rage is directly related to what you do with your energy pool.

Battle Rage does NOT replace Frenzy + Sprint. It somewhat replaces For Great Justice + Sprint. Hello? [FGJ is supposedly 150% A vs. the 200% A that it says in the description]

Battle Rage works best on sword since the sword Adrenal attacks are decent for what they're meant for. High base damage and consistent dps.

But if you're going to claim battle Rage has a high dps, then I wouldn't think of your claim being worth salt until I see IWAY in there. [just do IWAY then Battle Rage, not hard. Hard part is politely asking your teammate to die for the cause...]

Frenzied/Sprint Warriors will always beat Battle Rage unless BR is backed by IWAY.

I tested BR using my old W/N ultra damage build:

Pen. Blow, Exe. Strike, BR + Weaken Armor. Quite devastating in CA where hex-removal isn't consistent.

Then I tried using my standard spiker modified: Evis, Exe. Strike, Frenzy, Weaken Armor

Unless I used IWAY in the first build I mentioned, the 2nd always kills faster and does more dps regardless sadly

twicky_kid · Oct 17, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Battle Rage does NOT replace Frenzy + Sprint. It somewhat replaces For Great Justice + Sprint. Hello? [FGJ is supposedly 150% A vs. the 200% A that it says in the description]

Battle Rage works best on sword since the sword Adrenal attacks are decent for what they're meant for. High base damage and consistent dps.

But if you're going to claim battle Rage has a high dps, then I wouldn't think of your claim being worth salt until I see IWAY in there. [just do IWAY then Battle Rage, not hard. Hard part is politely asking your teammate to die for the cause...]

Frenzied/Sprint Warriors will always beat Battle Rage unless BR is backed by IWAY.

I tested BR using my old W/N ultra damage build:

Pen. Blow, Exe. Strike, BR + Weaken Armor. Quite devastating in CA where hex-removal isn't consistent.

Then I tried using my standard spiker modified: Evis, Exe. Strike, Frenzy, Weaken Armor

Unless I used IWAY in the first build I mentioned, the 2nd always kills faster and does more dps regardless sadly

evis is so much spike its very difficult to beat the dmg in time frame it can do. if hammers didn't have so many lose all adrenaline skills i would be using hammer instead. knockdown and BR would own.